Conversation on OT and NT - Part I ...

God's truth can only be one truth... religions' motives for dividing folks have not truth behind them... the Word is one truth , not divided...

Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

So few follow Jesus and are taken by Jesus in this life ....Jesus says how many is a 'few' in Rev 7:3-8 and we know this is literal because Enoch says it is only tens of thousands of saints , confirmed as true by Jude :-

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[small point - Enoch wrote in Hebrew ,in which he uses the single word for 'ten thousand' , so this would more truly be translated as 'tens of thousands']

So the many [over twelve billion sinners that ever lived] go by the broad way through destruction in death , including all the sinners of the divided modern religion including any sect or denomination which ever had more than a few [144,000] followers !

mass religion of sinners thus has a very different role in God's plan than the few saints , Jesus confirms that he will not take anyone who has not stopped sinning by his return :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those that continue to sin may call Jesus lord and invite him in, but Jesus points out that he never knew them if they do not stop before his retur, and asks why they call him lord [meaning one that one obeys] if they do not obey him :-

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

The foundation of following Jesus and naming the Christ, the strait and narrow way of the few saints is thus to depart from sinning any longer , to become all-loving in obedience to Jesus as lord, in his commandment to love, not sin.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

It is clear then both from Jesus own words and those of the saints , that no-one who is a sinner by Jesus return can be saved then from the broad way of the many billions of sinners that ever lived , destruction in death, the wages of sin.

BUT Jesus also says that uncountably many of all nations are saved afterward :-

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

These all went by the broad way of sin in this life , yet they are eventually saved according to Jesus ... but contrary to almost all divided modern Christian doctrine of denominations and sects !

Now the first resurrection is for the just , the saints justified by the holy spirit to stop sinning :-

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

so when are the many sinners resurrected from death and hell :-

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

the second resurrection is of the sinners , the unjustified unjust , over 12 billion sinners that ever lived, many of them never having even heard of Jesus in their life, many tragically having the briefest of lives...

Who then do the priests of God minister to and how are uncountably many of these sinners saved , hell having given them up ? What does Jesus say :-

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

So something over 12 billion sinners are resurrected after the millenium , freed from sin by death , to be ministered to by the saints and Jesus in the established kingdom of God with Jesus and the priests reigning over the many :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The many then are free from sin before death and judged by works in the kingdom where they have a perfect ministry by saints to rule and guide them into a loving righteous life of good works by which they will be judged...

Clearly then the many do not require grace, but are judged by works, so where does it say that only the few receive grace ? The answer is the new covenant of grace itself , it says explicitly that it is only with those whose ancestors broke the old covenant, and that the two rejected parts of Israel , the House of Judah ('Jews') and the lost people of the House of Israel are now forgiven...

Jesus confirms in Rev 7:3-8 that the few are indeed all descendants of Jacob , from the named tribes of Israel...

Thus the salvation of the many sinners of this world depends on the earlier salvation of a remnant few of the tribes of Israel at Jesus' return...

The few are first because they must be readied to rule and minister to billions , and God's promise handed down through the Hebrews to a remnant few [sometimes only one] in each generation is j=kept, according to Jesus' own revelation :-

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The OT and NT are thus indeed one truth of God ... [but the story in scripture of the reason God gives for apostate modern religion of the many sinners of this world and their sinner priesthoods is large enough for a separate thread ]


Indeed , it is truly awesome, and curiously contains much knowledge which most Jews never get around to acknowledging ... which is perhaps why Moses tells them they will get 'awakened' by becoming jealous of their own Torah being expounded to them about 'their' Messiah by a strange nation who do not even speak Hebrew ...and who are not even a recognised people any more ... it is not hard to positively identify this peculiar people in the scripture, they are just the House of Israel whom Jesus and his disciples have worked for two millenia to gather out from amongst the gentiles where they now still live as gentiles [but they are Israelites by birth of course, children of Israel just as much as the Jews]

Deuteronomy 32:21 ...I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Isaiah 7:8 ... within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
[Ephraim was the leading tribe in the House of Israel]
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Jer 31;31-34 confirms the forgiving and re-acceptance of both the Jews and the House of Israel and the task of the Messiah, Jesus, to re-unite them under one king, himself!

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

but in this world only a remnant are taken first , just 144,000 of the descendants of the tribes of Israel [Rev 7:3-8] ... thus the kingdom of God is only in those few in this world, or as Jesus puts it, his kingdom is not of this earth ... thus Israel will not reign over and minister to the gentiles in this earth, but in the new earth, since they do reign on earth:-

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

... the NT has been somewhat mangled by Roman christianity in their vain effort to write the Hebrews out of the Hebrew religion they borrowed and corrupted to paganism [in order to control the worrying (to them) spread of the original Hebrew christianity, Hebrew saints teaching the people and revealing the corruption of Roman authority

It was Rome that altered the 'christian' religion , crucified St Peter and fed countless Hebrew saints to the lions... then just made laws to change christianity [not least Sunday worship to correspond to Roman tradition of their day of worship of the sun god] ... then they put a hierarchy of sinners as their 'priests' in place of the non-hierarchical saints whom they had slaughtered ... some fled of course and escaped, but the seven churches of God ,the only churches referred to by Jesus, were razed to the ground and lie in ruins to this day ... the saints had no way or need to congregate after that because their commission was to find the House of Israel scattered amongst all the gentile nations... some two thousand only to spread across the whole world and find just 144,000 individuals over some two millenia... obviously the needed to move alone most of the time at least, certainly they could not afford to spend their lives in one place and build churches [for christianity to then declare heretical and burn down , as in fact happened in history again and again, but they were the wrong ones that got burned, christianity never managed to kill all the Hebrew saints , as the scripture records they will not do] ...

So perhps you begin to see why christianity is not the place to learn about the NT ... one can only learn its message in light of the OT scripture by reading it for yourself alone with God... the 'spin' in christianity is pretty awesomely refined now , wily as Satan can be , since they have had two thousand years almost to twist what it says and convince people not to read the OT, and not to read Revelation , in fact for many years ;'christians' were forbidden to read the bible at all! ... just to listen to sinner 'priests' telling them what to believe... incredible perhaps, but it is all written down ... it cannot be denied , with all its contradictions in black and white ... yet it is these things which make God's plan work, they govern its timing to perfection, and most men do not even notice it working its inevitable way to its conclusion.... pretty beautiful really, just way beyond the scheming of men ... it actually uses the schemes of men to make it work perfectly, traps the evil of men in their own 'clever' traps, God is that far above our thoughts and desires ...

Jews have been working at making Tanakh consistent for even longer than the 'chrsitian' sinner priests have been working their 'spin' of the NT ... thus one needs to look carefully at all the bits which don't fit,all the bits left out, if one is to discover the details of God's awesome whole plan behind the smoothish fronts put up [but different!] by Jews and 'chrstians' alike ... the first clue is then that they both believe supposedly in one God, yet they don't agree!! ... it shows that at least one group must be wrong, the DETAILS of scripture of God shows both are already wrong at this time because God requires that for now ... what can one say, god has it wrapped up perfectly and men think they know enough to believe in sinners who claim authority to tell people in place of God... we shall see who was right, but it wasn't even a close thing ...

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