There’s no use pretending, no use telling a lie we both
know didn’t happen,
‘’
I was always the first one in,
and the last one out,
‘’
I told
myself I wasn’t good enough, every time you chose your friends over me,
I told
myself it was me,
I could
never bring myself to blame you,
Coz of
that, I’m so damaged…
I could
never bring myself to hate you,
‘’
All this
time I’ve been on a ride to date you,
But all
along, you played me like a ragdoll,
Stringing
me along for the ride I didn’t pay for, cutting up my heart like a snowflake,
Used up
all my minutes telling me how much you loved me, adored me, said you’d never
leave me, deceive me, dessert me, pretending to make me feel better,
But I
don’t even know what I used to think I know anymore,
All I can do is look into the mirror with my head in my
hands, wondering why it took so long for me to understand,
What was it that I did wrong?
Wasn’t it
me that kept singing that song?
‘’
You hated
it,
I kept
doing it,
‘’
You
should’ve told me sooner,
‘’
How come
every time I call your name,
My heart
drowns in the empty silence,
We were
faced with empty promises,
.
We’d end
up fighting in pinstriped suits while the whole world tried to knock us
down,
But we
stayed standing, and we didn’t understand it,
I told
you, baby,
There
ain’t nothing to complain about,
‘’
But all
the s**t that you did�"honestly, you did nothing, I can’t really blame you for
much,
You were
sweet, and kind, and caring,
The only
thing I can hold against you was that one time you raised your voice at me on
our one-month anniversary coz I was talking about how little time we spend
together,
• There’s no use pretending, no use telling a lie we both know didn’t happen,
Meaningless to a reader, given that you, someone unknown, are talking TO someone we know nothing about, discussing things unknown.
It's the first line and the reader, is lost. Will it become clear later? Who cares? You’re talking about things for which the reader has no context, complaining that someone not introduced did unspecified things to that unknown speaker. That’s not poetry, it’s a latter of complaint, delivered to the wrong person. And for all we know, the person being complained to left because of the constant complaining.
The thiong to remember is that poetry doesn’t inform, it evokes the READER’S emotions. It make them CARE. The goal is to make the reader feel as you do, not know how you feel.
Someone unknown bitching that they were treated poorly, in chopped-line form is what’s often been called, a “Dismal Damsel,” poem. High School Lit magazines are filled with them. So dump that approach. Instead involve the reader. Make them care, and feel, not nod and say, “Uh-huh.” Make it meaningful to the reader. Make use of prosody, and all the tricks of the poet.
Jay Greenstein
https://jaygreenstein.wordpress.com/category/the-craft-of-writing/the-grumpy-old-writing-coach/
Posted 3 Years Ago
1 of 1 people found this review constructive.
3 Years Ago
because of this comment, i will keep the poem, coz if i delete it, the comment gets deleted, and i t.. read morebecause of this comment, i will keep the poem, coz if i delete it, the comment gets deleted, and i think i dont want to delete this comment,
this comment means a lot because it made me do a double take, i thought you were like "boooooooooooo, this poems sucks"
but i took a positive approach
thank you
-
this also made me think about how i've been perceiving these experiences,
i honestly didnt mean to be bitchy,
i was trying to come to a conclusion about how it all made me feel
but i never came to one
-
i know its unheard of that people can be so grateful, but i sincerely am, so thank you for this comment
i want to keep the element of these experience.. read morealso, i want to do this poem justice,
i want to keep the element of these experiences
you can help
-
also im hugely honoured for the comment, you've been at this a long time, thank you for taking the time to comment
3 Years Ago
i have questions
you stated , "Meaningless to a reader, given that you, someone unkno.. read morei have questions
you stated , "Meaningless to a reader, given that you, someone unknown, are talking TO someone we know nothing about, discussing things unknown."
does that mean your subjects should be known to the reader, what if its personal, or traumatic and you're making an allusion to it
also, here: "The thiong to remember is that poetry doesn’t inform, it evokes the READER’S emotions. It make them CARE. The goal is to make the reader feel as you do, not know how you feel."
the reason we write poetry differs from person to person, mine is to declutter,destress, and it helps w my depression, anxiety and a lot more
also, you never know whats happening behind the scenes, additionally, there is always room to improve your craft, but i have deep anxiety about a lot of what i write to the point where if i write something im not proud of, im still, by default because of simply writing it, am very proud of it
i highly appreciate these words, "Someone unknown bitching that they were treated poorly, in chopped-line form is what’s often been called, a “Dismal Damsel,” poem. High School Lit magazines are filled with them. So dump that approach. Instead involve the reader. Make them care, and feel, not nod and say, “Uh-huh.” Make it meaningful to the reader. Make use of prosody, and all the tricks of the poet."
thank you, again
xx
faery
3 Years Ago
You definitely have the right attitude. And that's rare on writing sites.
• does th.. read moreYou definitely have the right attitude. And that's rare on writing sites.
• does that mean your subjects should be known to the reader, what if its personal, or traumatic and you're making an allusion to it
- - - --
It’s a matter of approach. Poetry and fiction are very much alike in that their focus is emotion-based and character-centric, while the style of writing we spent so much time practicing in school is fact-based and author-centric. In that, the author—the only one on stage—is reporting and explaining, fact by fact. Informative, yes, but though you can hear emotion in the voice of the narrator, the reader has only what the words suggest to them, based on THEIR life-experience, not your intent. And for emotion, they have only punctuation, which they see AFTER they read the line (it’s why Spanish has a leading question mark.).
My favorite illustration is the horror story. If you’re writing one with the skills of nonfiction, the narrator will tell the reader that the protagonist feels terror. But the fiction writer? We terrorize the reader, and make them afraid to turn off the life. And they thank us for doing it. We don't tell the reader that our protagonist is in love, we make THEM fall in love for the same reasons.
Look at the opening lines to the song, The Twelfth of Never, a fine example of the power of poetry:
"You ask how much I need you, must I explain?
I need you, oh my darling, like roses need rain.
You ask how long I'll love you; I'll tell you true:
Until the twelfth of never, I'll still be loving you."
On L1 the author plays a trick on the reader. Instead of a series of, “how I need you lines,” he acts as if the reader has asked the question. And since it is a question any lover might ask, the reader accepts that they, too, want the answer,
So L1 is a hook. And, phrased as, “Must I explain?” a bias has been placed in that the speaker has already said, “It should be obvious.” My hat is off to Mr. Paul Francis Webster, who wrote it, plus three Academy Award songs, had sixteen songs nominated for that honor, plus one Grammy. And lots of songs that were on the charts for weeks.
And...look at the flow of the line, so far as stressed/unstressed syllables:
You ASK how MUCH I NEED you, must *I* expLAIN?
It ticks like a clock, and rolls from the tongue. And if you check, that’s the structure of every line (Making use of stressed/unstressed syllables to smooth the flow is called prosody)
Then, L2 answers the question by relating the human need to natural necessity. And L3 & 4 continues that.
In short, there’s a LOT that’s not obvious to writing poetry. And while the lines carry the rhyming form of structured poetry, nonstructured poems can benefit from managing rhythm.
While it’s not about the kind of poetry you focus on, take a look at the excerpt to Stephen Fry’s, The Ode Less Traveled, on Amazon. I think you’ll find it eye-opening.
As for the approach, your goal isn’t to make the reader say, “Aww, poor baby.” It’s to make THEM tell you, “What a b*****d that man is,” because you made them decide he is by emotionally becoming the protagonist and reacting as her.
Instead of the approach, “This happens…then that happens… and after that…” take into account that the reader needs to know where we are, what’s going on, and whose skin we wear. When you say, “I was always the first one in,” the reader has not a clue of what you mean. So for any line, ask yourself if the reader has context, either by your evoking a memory within the reader, like saying, “The shrieks of playing children,” which will call up their memories, or by providing it as or before the line is read. Context is critical, because without it, it’s just a word-salad.
Also, think in terms of cause and effect. If the protagonist does anything, as in life, it will always be because of something they decided needed some response. Make the reader know what that their motivation is for every action, and their response makes perfect sense to the reader.
And with that, I’m running down and need to finish up before I head to sleep. I hope this helps.
I have a few poems posted here that might show what I mean.
• There’s no use pretending, no use telling a lie we both know didn’t happen,
Meaningless to a reader, given that you, someone unknown, are talking TO someone we know nothing about, discussing things unknown.
It's the first line and the reader, is lost. Will it become clear later? Who cares? You’re talking about things for which the reader has no context, complaining that someone not introduced did unspecified things to that unknown speaker. That’s not poetry, it’s a latter of complaint, delivered to the wrong person. And for all we know, the person being complained to left because of the constant complaining.
The thiong to remember is that poetry doesn’t inform, it evokes the READER’S emotions. It make them CARE. The goal is to make the reader feel as you do, not know how you feel.
Someone unknown bitching that they were treated poorly, in chopped-line form is what’s often been called, a “Dismal Damsel,” poem. High School Lit magazines are filled with them. So dump that approach. Instead involve the reader. Make them care, and feel, not nod and say, “Uh-huh.” Make it meaningful to the reader. Make use of prosody, and all the tricks of the poet.
Jay Greenstein
https://jaygreenstein.wordpress.com/category/the-craft-of-writing/the-grumpy-old-writing-coach/
Posted 3 Years Ago
1 of 1 people found this review constructive.
3 Years Ago
because of this comment, i will keep the poem, coz if i delete it, the comment gets deleted, and i t.. read morebecause of this comment, i will keep the poem, coz if i delete it, the comment gets deleted, and i think i dont want to delete this comment,
this comment means a lot because it made me do a double take, i thought you were like "boooooooooooo, this poems sucks"
but i took a positive approach
thank you
-
this also made me think about how i've been perceiving these experiences,
i honestly didnt mean to be bitchy,
i was trying to come to a conclusion about how it all made me feel
but i never came to one
-
i know its unheard of that people can be so grateful, but i sincerely am, so thank you for this comment
i want to keep the element of these experience.. read morealso, i want to do this poem justice,
i want to keep the element of these experiences
you can help
-
also im hugely honoured for the comment, you've been at this a long time, thank you for taking the time to comment
3 Years Ago
i have questions
you stated , "Meaningless to a reader, given that you, someone unkno.. read morei have questions
you stated , "Meaningless to a reader, given that you, someone unknown, are talking TO someone we know nothing about, discussing things unknown."
does that mean your subjects should be known to the reader, what if its personal, or traumatic and you're making an allusion to it
also, here: "The thiong to remember is that poetry doesn’t inform, it evokes the READER’S emotions. It make them CARE. The goal is to make the reader feel as you do, not know how you feel."
the reason we write poetry differs from person to person, mine is to declutter,destress, and it helps w my depression, anxiety and a lot more
also, you never know whats happening behind the scenes, additionally, there is always room to improve your craft, but i have deep anxiety about a lot of what i write to the point where if i write something im not proud of, im still, by default because of simply writing it, am very proud of it
i highly appreciate these words, "Someone unknown bitching that they were treated poorly, in chopped-line form is what’s often been called, a “Dismal Damsel,” poem. High School Lit magazines are filled with them. So dump that approach. Instead involve the reader. Make them care, and feel, not nod and say, “Uh-huh.” Make it meaningful to the reader. Make use of prosody, and all the tricks of the poet."
thank you, again
xx
faery
3 Years Ago
You definitely have the right attitude. And that's rare on writing sites.
• does th.. read moreYou definitely have the right attitude. And that's rare on writing sites.
• does that mean your subjects should be known to the reader, what if its personal, or traumatic and you're making an allusion to it
- - - --
It’s a matter of approach. Poetry and fiction are very much alike in that their focus is emotion-based and character-centric, while the style of writing we spent so much time practicing in school is fact-based and author-centric. In that, the author—the only one on stage—is reporting and explaining, fact by fact. Informative, yes, but though you can hear emotion in the voice of the narrator, the reader has only what the words suggest to them, based on THEIR life-experience, not your intent. And for emotion, they have only punctuation, which they see AFTER they read the line (it’s why Spanish has a leading question mark.).
My favorite illustration is the horror story. If you’re writing one with the skills of nonfiction, the narrator will tell the reader that the protagonist feels terror. But the fiction writer? We terrorize the reader, and make them afraid to turn off the life. And they thank us for doing it. We don't tell the reader that our protagonist is in love, we make THEM fall in love for the same reasons.
Look at the opening lines to the song, The Twelfth of Never, a fine example of the power of poetry:
"You ask how much I need you, must I explain?
I need you, oh my darling, like roses need rain.
You ask how long I'll love you; I'll tell you true:
Until the twelfth of never, I'll still be loving you."
On L1 the author plays a trick on the reader. Instead of a series of, “how I need you lines,” he acts as if the reader has asked the question. And since it is a question any lover might ask, the reader accepts that they, too, want the answer,
So L1 is a hook. And, phrased as, “Must I explain?” a bias has been placed in that the speaker has already said, “It should be obvious.” My hat is off to Mr. Paul Francis Webster, who wrote it, plus three Academy Award songs, had sixteen songs nominated for that honor, plus one Grammy. And lots of songs that were on the charts for weeks.
And...look at the flow of the line, so far as stressed/unstressed syllables:
You ASK how MUCH I NEED you, must *I* expLAIN?
It ticks like a clock, and rolls from the tongue. And if you check, that’s the structure of every line (Making use of stressed/unstressed syllables to smooth the flow is called prosody)
Then, L2 answers the question by relating the human need to natural necessity. And L3 & 4 continues that.
In short, there’s a LOT that’s not obvious to writing poetry. And while the lines carry the rhyming form of structured poetry, nonstructured poems can benefit from managing rhythm.
While it’s not about the kind of poetry you focus on, take a look at the excerpt to Stephen Fry’s, The Ode Less Traveled, on Amazon. I think you’ll find it eye-opening.
As for the approach, your goal isn’t to make the reader say, “Aww, poor baby.” It’s to make THEM tell you, “What a b*****d that man is,” because you made them decide he is by emotionally becoming the protagonist and reacting as her.
Instead of the approach, “This happens…then that happens… and after that…” take into account that the reader needs to know where we are, what’s going on, and whose skin we wear. When you say, “I was always the first one in,” the reader has not a clue of what you mean. So for any line, ask yourself if the reader has context, either by your evoking a memory within the reader, like saying, “The shrieks of playing children,” which will call up their memories, or by providing it as or before the line is read. Context is critical, because without it, it’s just a word-salad.
Also, think in terms of cause and effect. If the protagonist does anything, as in life, it will always be because of something they decided needed some response. Make the reader know what that their motivation is for every action, and their response makes perfect sense to the reader.
And with that, I’m running down and need to finish up before I head to sleep. I hope this helps.
I have a few poems posted here that might show what I mean.