This is the most detailed & expressive thing I've ever read about S.P. In my opinion, her legacy has almost become cartoonized as a simple caricature dominated by horrific details, but rarely reflecting a tangible, vulnerable being with spirit. This poem does that -- presents her palpable humanity. Good on you for that! (((HUGS))) Fondly, Margie
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thank you, Margie...i have a strong attachment to Sylvia having done my Masters Thesis on her and Se.. read morethank you, Margie...i have a strong attachment to Sylvia having done my Masters Thesis on her and Sexton.
she was hurting so much...but she shared that hurt and pain so that others knew there was someone who really understood the worst.
thanks so much for your kind review,
j.
beautiful, j. they would both be proud of this fine expressive dance, you've done a few Sylvia poems, she is obviously a great inspiration, the weave of your words give away your influences, great, great poem,
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thank gram, yes, a favorite, an influence and she and Sexton the subjects of my Master Thesis many y.. read morethank gram, yes, a favorite, an influence and she and Sexton the subjects of my Master Thesis many years ago.
i appreciate your kind words,
j.
I have loved so many unobtainables... persons or concepts and know the sting of the unrequited intimately. I have often have come to the question, is it the thing or is it the quality of unobtainable that strikes my longing? Is it in these throws that make the create so poignant in our writes and artistry I often wonder... I used to joke that "I have no qualms with life" makes for rather boring poetry in reference to artists that stop producing great work:) Of course I know that to not be true now but I can't help but think that the suffering that Sylvia had be it from circumstance or mental illness played a role in her artistry that we wouldn't have seen had it been different for her.
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Jesus I got so caught up in my thought flow I forgot to mention how much I enjoyed this write... sor.. read moreJesus I got so caught up in my thought flow I forgot to mention how much I enjoyed this write... sorry Jacob
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i definitely agree, bunny...i don't think that artistry would have been there....she always said tha.. read morei definitely agree, bunny...i don't think that artistry would have been there....she always said that readers wanted to know from someone who has been there and seen and felt the worst...she did.
'i really appreciated your though flow...thank you,
j.
She was a flame too soon extinguished. It's hard to believe she was only 30 years old when she died. Sadder still that her son hanged himself later in life. I have the book, "Birthday Letters" by Ted Hughes. It contains poems that he wrote to her over a period of more than twenty-five years, the first beginning a few years after her death. He died of cancer months after its publication. While many blamed him for her death and he was a b*****d for sure, I do believe that he cared very deeply for her. It can be very difficult living with someone with mental illness and depression, and I'm sure it wasn't always easy for him. Then, on top of Sylvia's suicide, his mistress killed herself and their four-year-old daughter as well. It must have really pushed him into a dark corner. Life is complicated, and depression is hell.
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yes, life is so complicated...I have "Birthday Letters"
to me..it's too little too late...i d.. read moreyes, life is so complicated...I have "Birthday Letters"
to me..it's too little too late...i don't feel he was supportive enough of her during her lifetime....he once wrote to Sylvia's mom that "Sylvia writes really good poetry for a woman"---ouch...
and i feel he pretty much drove two people to the same suicide...and yes with their four year old daughter....i am sure he was in a dark corner...but i feel he pushed himself into that corner or at least did a lot of the work....
I did my Masters thesis on Plath and Sexton...and took a British Poetry class....we read lots of Ted....and in my opinion...and it is just an opinion...she was a much superior poet to him...
And yes all that great work and she was writing her best poetry when she finally succeeded with her suicide...very sad...am reminded of Buddy Holly and how much creativeness with music that he still had in him at 22 when he was killed in the plane crash..
i really appreciate all that you said here....love discussion on this subject...and yes, went through years of depression myself...and it is definitely hell...
thank you for your words, Linda,
j.
J., sadly Sylvia created the impression and images most hold today. Whether fate or something else, she immersed herself in darkness, almost like she turned herself inside out, shutting out everyone, though she acted engaged and happy at times. I've also wondered if she'd turned out differently today, less of that "good ole boy" network, which seemed particularly strong in the 1950s. She would've had more visibility today and arguably more support from contemporaries. This is one of the best I've read that so succinctly and honestly captures this brilliant writer and broken human.
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yes, she once proclaimed about the male dominance in poetry..." i can write my own bad metaphors"---.. read moreyes, she once proclaimed about the male dominance in poetry..." i can write my own bad metaphors"---
i really appreciate your kind words...wrote my masters thesis on her and Sexton...
j.
This is haunting and beautiful work, Jacob. You’ve captured something important here. I don’t know a lot about Ted Hughes. I’ve read a little of his work, and know some of his bio, but that’s about it.
It’s so complex though. I think of her Lady Lazarus poem and think the darkness was always in her. Perhaps Ted was drawn to that in women, but didn’t have the character to stay in the darkness long term, or to bring light to the darkness. I don’t know. Having suffered from depression most of my life, I know that no one person can tip the scales either way. The internals are a constantly shifting tide.
It’s painful to think about her life though. To wonder what could have been done. And knowing that one of her children went on to follow in her footsteps is devastating. We create cycles, or we are born into them, and we just don’t have the power to escape them.
Thank you for sharing this empathetic portrait which also opens up a dialogue by posing some interesting questions. Even if she had known what her poetry would one day mean, I’m not sure it would have changed anything for her. It’s tragic, really.
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and not sure she could have been helped away from the suicide....like Sexton said..."store them in t.. read moreand not sure she could have been helped away from the suicide....like Sexton said..."store them in the cupboard" for later use.
although i am convinced Sylvia, since she was writing her best stuff towards the end, and she even said that, she thought someone would save her so she could write about another suicide, just as she did in "Lady Lazarus" ---"the peanut crunching crowd ...to see them unwrap me...."
i really appreciate your review, Eilis...and your empathizing and sharing...
j.
Can there be a more tragic setting than this? I don't believe I have ever seen a movie based on these episodes, but there certainly is drama and pathos aplenty. Ted was an arrogant SOB no doubt and Sylvia was a tortured soul ... the cheating didn't help.
I have a book of Ted's poetry that I revisit now and then ... can't really understand how he became Poet Laureate in England ... but the poem he wrote that described their relationship and her suicide ... which I believe was published after his death bordered on brilliant ... as does your work here.
Good job j.
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thank you for your kind review, Ted...
yes, arrogant...and he may have been brilliant...i hav.. read morethank you for your kind review, Ted...
yes, arrogant...and he may have been brilliant...i have to admit his poetry is good, but this is one of those rare cases in which i cannot separate the artist from his work.
thank you again for your kind review...
Gwenyth Paltrow did a wonderful job of portraying her in "Sylvia"---
When I go to Cambridge - I often call in the museum of Anthropology and Aecheaology- mainly because they have some amazing artifacts and it is on the way to the Fitzwilliam my base museum for the ;ast fifty plus years. In the aforementioned location they have a Roman coffin hewn from a lump of rock - as I pass it I often halt for this is the dame coffin decades ago that Sylivia Plath stoof in fron of and she turned her impressions into verse. A poignant moment of Homage from me.
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wow, that is so cool that were standing in the spot where Sylvia once stood...
yes, our impre.. read morewow, that is so cool that were standing in the spot where Sylvia once stood...
yes, our impressions, then our verse.
j.
I have read some of her work and I hope to read more soon. It’s very impressive. Her life was tragic as was that of so many famed writers and poets. Makes me wonder always if brilliance and melancholy go together. Great impressions of Plath here, Jacob.
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sometimes it seems they do...thank you for your insights, DIVYA,
j.
Originally from Bronx, NY, I live in Carbondale, Illinois...teach English at a community college and have been writing and publishing poetry since 1970. I am here to read for inspiration from other po.. more..