Here then are Is and And

I sometimes write in another form of language. It uses English words, but it recognizes some physical and metaphysical realities which are either missing from or simply discounted by our language --

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1/10/13

Here then are Is and And.

They are incomplete.

We and we would either

Is and Is and And and And or

Is-Is and And-And

Or neither...

We might talk of Of -- 

But why?

Who would understand? 

Reviews

[sithlordjp]

I feel a strange connection to this piece. Yes, the meaning is elusive and out of reach, but still, it speaks to me, in a quiet understandable way... The way you use words is quite unique. "Who would understand?" I think I would, even if I don't... I can almost see this as a reflection on the failure of language in our day-to-day conversations: "Is and Is and And and And or" Are we even listening to each other anymore... A fascinating piece. Question: Are all these great paintings on each of your writings made by you?

[Firestone Feinberg]

I believe I wrote to you about poems that I've written and once in a while still write that make use of a meta-language that tries to heal some of the deficits in standard English that are so apparent to me. I can basically explain the thing, but even I get confused at points, since regular English is so ingrained in me it is impossible to get away from it; that, and also that the concepts themselves are so immaterial -- that they fly away as soon as I grasp them. Of course, like you said before, there is a basic non-linear approach here to time -- or Time -- which is not -- but not-time, even for time itself, is somewhat derogatory. I know I lost you there. If it comes to it, I may elucidate one day. The meta-language also includes a more literal (and thus more ethereal, transcendent) view of God. It also considers -- with serious intent and attention -- the nature of most word forms, such as nouns, verbs, and so on. One could easily and truthfully observe that the special language allows a more Zen-like type of perception -- a la yin and yang -- that is both a help and a hindrance to the formation of speech or writing. The object, overall, the Gestalt, if you will, is
toward the purpose of bring reality (and reality or reality-reality (which it 'not' to 'say' ''not-reality'') to manifesting itself within the context of language. "Tain't easy -- and I get lost as soon as I know where I am. When I look back at poems written in this other English or English-English, sometimes I have no idea what the hell I am talking about -- but usually after a few re-readings I 'understand' a good part of these poems. I really posted this one as an example -- for YOU personally -- since you told me to 'go for it' vis-a-vis 'experimental' poetry. Apparently some persons have looked at this poem, but I doubt they thought anything more than the writer is pretty peculiar (don't go there). Incidentally, just about the only line that's in old (modern) English is the last one. Yes I painted all the pictures. They are watercolors. Another long story. Thanks for subscribing to my writing. You've been a good friend in this metropolis. I thank you for that -- as well as for your kind-kind comments-comments on this poem-poem. Am glad and glad you like it and like it (is Was).
--David :) I know this is long.; Be grateful I didn't try ro explain this stuff -- and yes it did arise of what might be called a psychotic state of mind. But that doesn't discount-discount its.

[sithlordjp]

thanks for explaining. I really like your paintings too!

[Firestone Feinberg]

Thank you!

[JM Russell]

Ah, but a bit like ee commings I see. Very nice and fun to read.

[Firestone Feinberg]

I am utterly flattered even to be mentioned on the same page as ee cummings! Thanks, JM, for reading and writing.
Sincerely, David

[Holly Mason]

enjoyed this but this with that that's where it's at at least think
thank you for entertaining my mind again

[Firestone Feinberg]

Thanks Holly for your apt and warm review. This poem is in a confusing language -- a sort of meta-English that I use once in a while -- if you want to know more (you don't) see below... And have a great evening! --David

[Holly Mason]

I have read below and like the concepts much *)_

[Firestone Feinberg]

You are a brave person!

[M Breen]

A thoughtful and 'well expressed' poem. There is a frustration but there also seems to be a solid belief that there is a core metaphysical reality to be expressed.
I kinda believe that English can express this, but the reader must be as ready as the writer.
Thank you sir.

[Firestone Feinberg]

Thank you, M. English can indeed express much of what I am trying to approach; without going into any detail, I have found that political and social structures introduce a decided bias into any English attempt... Fot instance, The The or what we may call The Thing is somehow given more credit than the standard English Not-thing. And this is generally the case, but not always. But in reality the not-thing and the thing are one -- union -- dependant upon each other for their very being. They are equal partners... but not in standard English. In all cases one or the other is slighted. There is a skew. A half of the unit is discounted... to add to your (and my) confusion! Thanks for your considerate and thoughtful review. David

[M Breen]

I understand (arrogant word) the constraints and obstacles of "political and social structures" but the description of the "Not-thing" leaves me confused but also offers me the enchanting sister of confusion: wonder! Will happily continue reading your work to try and understand.

[Firestone Feinberg]

Thank you (sir?) -- from your comment, it seems to me that you might prefer 'wondering' rather thank 'knowing.' that really makes me smile. this stuff is so hard to explain -- (if you read my reply to sithlordjp above -- something might become clearer. These poems -- in this language -- are probably the things I've written that come closer to the edge than any others. Still, I have other voices. I learned from Dickinson. I have a few ways of writing -- mostly inspired by great poets. But there are also strains of composition that go back to my childhood. I am a musician. Perhaps that explains something. Thanks for your generous spirit. Question -- if i may -- what the hell gender are you? (Species i know, the monkey confuses me not:)

[M Breen]

Yes, I can see that you have learned from Dickinson. Like you, she also sought to open hidden doors and before they were doors --trees.
In poetry I tend to wonder...but real knowledge is also aesthetically beautiful.

Thanks for the personal questions (not)...
Well you got me there, I was trying to look my best here on WC, but ok yes, I'm only human. But some day I hope to evolve, if not to Wukong, at least the same tribe.
And the only two places I normally get called "sir" are when I'm in your country or it's after closing time in a pub or cafe "sir, it's time to go home, please sir".
:-D