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List the reasons you don't like Twilight here.

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A few reasons I don't like Twilight:

   1. Stephenie Meyer talks about taking cold medicine to help Bella fall asleep like she just shot an old woman for heroine money.
   2. I have nothing personal with Mormons, or most religions for that matter, but the "Women are the source of all evil" philosophy is outdated and obsolete. Writing a story based on this concept, is just a display of how ignorant you are. What do I mean? The illustration in the beginning is an indicator that the story is going to revolve around this girl, Bella, seducing and tempting a vampire from his so-called vegetarianism. She can't help it because, of course, she's a beautiful woman.
   3. Speaking of vegetarianism, Meyers is a fool to think mountain lions aren't nearly instinct. She 'insists' their population is stable. So her vampires eat them. Yes, that's right - her vampires eat bears and endangered cats. Nice job researching, and further profaning the names of vampires everywhere.
   4. Bella is stupid (but aren't all women? According to Twilight: yes, yes they are.) She insists that she's bored by the simplicity of Shakespeare and Lawrence. Yet when describing Edward, she can only describe him as a painting done by a master artist. As any art enthusiast would know, these master artists have very, very different styles. Is it a Michelangelo angel, sculpted of masculine figure and attention drawn to warrior poses and strong limbs, or is it a Raphael angel, accenting a feminine beauty with curls in long manes and attention paid to the grace of the arms? There are hundreds of master artists with different figures for hundreds of their angels, and yet this "cultured" protagonist can't name a single one throughout the entire book.
   5. Bella is incapable, but this is where the famous "misogyny of Twilight" kicks in. Someone cuts his finger in her Biology class and she faints. She faints at the sight of blood and has to have a big, strong man carry her to the nurse. She nearly gets hit by a car, but instead of running, she has to have a big strong man come save her. For some reason, this girl from a big city wanders by herself straight into the clutches of some rapists (yeah, I know. You could drive trucks through this massive plot hole) and, again, must be saved by some big strong man.
   6. She's a Mary Sue. Every guy at school falls in love with her at first sight. She's immune to all the superpowers. She has no physical downfalls, nor does she admit and character flaws even though she makes them perfectly evident. Her only "downfall" is this klutz trait that suddenly appears when she arrives at school, and it's only a plot device so that her man will come save her. (One of the things that really boiled my blood was when she was describing the ice on her driveway. Everyone in the world who's ever lived in a temperate climate has slipped and fallen on their butt because of ice. People do it all the time. You're not a klutz. It's ice!) May I also point out that Bella looks exactly like Stephenie Meyer? Are you seeing the connection?

"In my head, Bella is very fair-skinned, with long, straight, dark brown hair and chocolate brown eyes. Her face is heart-shaped—a wide forehead with a widow's peak, large, wide-spaced eyes, prominent cheekbones, and then a thin nose and a narrow jaw with a pointed chin. Her lips are a little out of proportion, a bit too full for her jaw line. Her eyebrows are darker than her hair and more straight than they are arched. She's five foot four inches tall, slender but not at all muscular, and weighs about 115 pounds. She has stubby fingernails because she has a nervous habit of biting them. And there's your very detailed description."

Mhmmm... http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/ste.jpg

   7. For some reason, Stephenie Meyer has a secret obsession with abusive men that she superimposed on her protagonist. Edward isn't romantic. There's nothing romantic in being dragged to a man's car (coughrape?cough) or being cross-examined like a criminal (but that's their form of flirting, Lady Aerith!) When Edward saves Bella from those rapists she so conveniently wandered toward, instead of asking "Are you okay?""Did they hurt you?""Want me to call the cops?" he immediately jumps to HIS problems and issues. "DISTRACT ME! I MIGHT KILL THOSE GUYS THAT WANTED TO KILL YOU!" Sure thing, butthole. A while afterward, after running into her friends that he scares away [good thinking, girls. you should teach your idiot friend Bella a thing or two] he finally says that Bella is going into shock. Mhm. Then he  watches Bella sleeping! He purges her gas tank so she won't leave. I don't know how to illustrate a more vivid picture of "controlling".
   8. If Bella grew up in Phoenix, which she insists on, why is she so pale? She insists it's because she wasn't sporty. Heads up: I grew up in Miami, Florida, which isn't as sunny as Phoenix. I played videogames and studied all day, and wrote in my free time. I never went outside. You know what? The drives to school and occasional stop at the store, along with windows (curtained, albeit) tanned me to a constant apricot or darker. You will always show your climate. Again, a failure in research for Meyers, or a fail for Bella because she grew up in a prison cell with no windows.
   9. Two hundred pages of Bella whining about Biology class. No.
  10. Three hundred pages of Bella whining about Biology class, lunch and sexual tensions with Edward. No.
  11. Sexual tensions being described as physical violence like damnation = I hate you Stephenie Meyer. Bella isn't scared of being bitten because her soul will be damned to hell or because she cherishes her humanity. She equivalates into to intercourse and intercourse to a damnable destruction of the body. No. Failure of epic proportions. I stamp the book with a fat red "F" for "Abstinence Porn."
  12. Bella constantly talks about this CD that her mom's boyfriend gave her, but the best she describes it is "heavy on bass". This can be almost any modern band. A popular blogger swears it's Linkin Park and Stephenie Meyer is trying to sound cultured by describing it. Again, you fail, Stephenie "Isabella" Meyer. I'm sure anyone on WritersCafe could do a better job sounding intelligent and cultured in describing music than Bella did. There was no effort, or so it seems. She didn't even research a single band to put the description with it. Meyers "winged it". Why didn't anyone put the book down at this point? Example of actual effort: "I placed the CD into the player and set it on repeat. The soprano vocalist strung my heart with her despairing lyrics while the guitarist guided her through the miliatia of keyboard and the chanting, banging drums. A few songs were to 'pop' for my taste, but after the third round, I could memorize the chorus to all of the songs." If any of you couldn't guess, that was a reference to Nightwish. I'd be so decent as to mention it later, too, and maybe the album that I was listening to. The problem is, Bella is supposedly listening to classical music. I don't know about you guys, but classical is the single easiest genre to describe in instruments -not emotion, mind you, but instruments, as Bella doesn't have emotions except whiny and does not describe music in such a way.
  13. Why the hell is a 107 year old vampire going to high school?
  14. Why the hell is a 107 year old vampire stalking a 17 year old girl?
  15. Okay, I know why for 13 and 14. No other vampire wants this moody pyscho, and as the police and social networking sites have made clear, young girls are more naive. They think they're in love with these abusive pricks and that they're protecting them from "everyone that will interfere with their love." They're too scared to call their relationship quits when they realize what's going on. Edward wants a naive 17 year old girl that he can control before she matures and realizes that he's bad news.
  16. Why is it that when Bella moves in, Charlie can no longer prepare his own meals? He's supposedly been surviving on his own for the past decade. Suddenly she's the house cleaner. Tea with your Misogyny Cake, anyone?
  17. Why is Bella so upset with sharing her bathroom? Is she this big of a princess? He's her dad.
  18. Who is up with this "bathroom bag" Bella keeps in her bedroom? Is this just for crazy people? Don't normal people just leave their toothbrush on the plastic thing near the sink or in a cup in the medicine cabinet? That bothered me a lot.
  19. Bella doesn't sound 17. She's supposedly intelligent and cultured, but she just sounds like a dull thirty-something woman. She wakes up early on a Saturday to play house maid to her "dad". Weirdo.
  20. When Jacob and his dad come over to watch the game, Bella acts like the entertaining housewife. Again, really weird. You start to see the author's innuendos when you let yourself think about it. (But Lady Aerith, you're not supposed to think about Twilight!) (I know! But it bothers me that you twitty preteens are reading this garbage while Taylor goes unpublished!)
  21. Bella insists that Edward talks and acts like some sort of classical gentleman. He talks like every other person in this book - dull, too much, informal. He ACTS like an abusive psycho. A huge difference exists between psychosis and etiquette.
  22. Who is she to call "Edward" and "Emett" grandparent names? Her name is Isabella Swan. By the way, never let your protagonist have a name that screams "Mary Sue" like "The Beautiful Swan"
  23. This is obvious. Vampires don't associate with dumb girls. They eat them. They don't shine in sunshine. I don't care if "Nowhere in mythology does it say in slate that vampires die in sunshine!" Yeah, but nowhere in slate does it say that drowning kittens is wrong, but you just don't drown kittens. It ruins fiction when you use crummy excuses to completely ruin a perfectly good myth. Also, Lawrence (who Bella should be so damned savvy with, but for some reason isn't) wrote about a vegetarian vampire. A real vegetarian - like, grew onions and ate them to make himself more powerful. He was so much cooler than this loser vampire who spends his days eating bears and going to school.
  24. This is just my personal problem. Twilight ruined vampires. The book I wrote in seventh grade has no chance of being published until some cool new fad comes out (like Twilight was for Eragon. Remember Eragon? Dragon?) and people forget it ever happened. I had a minor character that happened to be a vampire, based on my friend - GUESS - Alice. Not cool. So why does Lady Aerith hate Twilight? Right there. I'm not renaming my human-killing, perfectly sane half-vampire, half-elf just because this garbage won the hearts of stupid prepubescent girls who don't know what love is.
  25. The first page was very promising. I was expecting some epic battle, you know, between werewolves and vampires, but Bella ruined it! She was unconscious! Not cool. This was not the time, Meyers!
  26. Meyer demonstrates complete ignorance when describing alcoholism and drug addictions. Alcoholism doesn't revolve around the taste of alcohol, but the drug itself. Alcoholics aren't fanatics of taste - there's no logic in this assumption, or you, reader, would be an sweetaholic. They depend on the side effects - the sleeping aid, the ease in social situations, the mind numbing sensation. The same goes for illegal drugs. Meyers didn't even try, once again. She did zero research when she was writing and wasn't afraid to show it.
  27. How can I forget? All she does throughout the entire book is complain about everything. It seems that this is the "original" way in which the entire book is written - a long series of complaints. God forbid someone try to befriend her. Sham! God forbid her blood-and-sweat presents from her husband *scratch*scratch* dad be thanked for. And this is supposed to be directed for young girls?
  28. This "romance" that the book revolves around is all about physical appearances, and Meyer doesn't try to hide it. Mike is human, but he tries to be nice to Bella althroughout the book. Edward is gorgeous. That's all their relationship needs. They don't talk about anything at all except the little cross-ex they have in which Bella listed useless "I like flowers and the color brown." The rest of the novel is threats and commands from Edward and Bella's "yes, sir!" They never mention politics, aspirations, or hobbies. Well, scratch the last one. Bella has no hobbies except "clean and cook like a good girl-slave."
  29. Stephen King openly said "Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good . . . "in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's writing to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a safe joining of love and sex in those books. It's exciting and it's thrilling and it's not particularly threatening because they're not overtly sexual. A lot of the physical side of it is conveyed in things like the vampire will touch her forearm or run a hand over skin, and she just flushes all hot and cold. And for girls, that's a shorthand for all the feelings that they're not ready to deal with yet." Way to go. If you want to read a, you know, good vampire book of this era, his Salem Lot book is pretty good!
  30. "Chagrin" "Dazzle" and of course "Amber eyes". She uses a thesaurus throughout the book to add the most fake-sounding, awkward flowing sentences possible and yet she can't find a single new word for Edward's eyes or smile.
  31. Stephenie Meyer didn't even try to make up her own name for places. It's fiction! I can understand if someone set a story to take place in a big city like New York, New York or Osaka. They have their own creepy tales that can work into the plot. Yet all of these small towns no one cares about are real. That fact doesn't bother me as much as the fact that the Quileutes are real in that area. Anyone in their right mind would see where I'm coming from when I say, no, real Indians are off limits. You can't ruin their name like that. It's offensive to bastardize an entire clan in the name of your amateur book.
 
 


Mothers, grandmothers, aunts - don't buy Twilight for your young daughters. I'm talking 17 (apparently, based on dumb Bella) and under, who think romantic means letting a man threaten physical violence on a girl to get his way. Read what you buy your kids. You have no idea what this stuff teaches them! I'd instead recommend books like Heir Apparent and the Goose Girl, by Shannon Hale, who by the way is also a Mormon, but teaches strong women. (Ani was strong, chaste and moral. She was able to help herself, even if she did need her sweetheart's help saving her later on.) No derogatory message about how evil women are inherently. No abuse. Perfectly safe read.

Anyway, those are a few reasons I'm anti-Twilight.

(If you're about to whine "If you're so anti-twilight, why did you just waste all that time posting a thread all about it!?" then you're clearly a silly goose who did not read the reasons themselves, as the 24th reason explains the reason I just went through all this effort. Also, I'm hoping to save some people a few brain cells.)

lol I was going to make my list but I think you covered everything lol

ok, not only did i agree with everything you just said but that was the best thing ive ever read lol. it was funny as hell and you made my day. thank you so much. <33 still the greatest thing ever lol <3

1. Sparkling vampires
2. Vegetarian vampires are ok but they are not technically vegetarian if they are drinking animal blood, blood is blood.
3. The lack of realism with the teenagers
4. I think my young adult book has more to it than the Twilight books
5. The romance aspect, it is good but how many have the boy meets girl girl falls for boy and boy is a vampire
6. SPARKLING VAMPIRES!
7. My book is better!
8. I like the series for some aspects like the venomous vampires but that is about it
9. Lack of detail, what do the vamps smell like what do the werewolves smell like
10. More history about the feud between vamps and weres

Yeah the whining was annoying too, and then they have Kristen Stewart play her in the movies a whiny actress for a whiny character good show. Also come on I know it is a book for teenagers and we're not supposed to talk to them about sex and even push them towards having sex, but frankly they are teenagers and they are doing it or having masturbatory fantasies so push the envelope a little more. Also lack of violence, you kill a vampire and there should be explosions gore something

The entire plot revolves around the single idea that women are inferior; ironic given the nature of the author.

 

I feel obliged to share this nice little occurence that happened to me the other day. I was in a book shop the other day looking to buy the third installment of the obernewtyn chronicles (ashling....here is a read-worthy series) when I saw on the far left wall there was a list of the top 100 books of the month. The stone key (fifth book of Obernewtyn) was number six or seven, but twilight was number one. Eragon and Brasingr were 35 and 40 respectivley.

 

I pity the future of literature.

i totally agree with what you said and i didn't even read the book. i have so many friends that are obsessed over twilight and i don't think even Meyer could give me a better recount of the whole screwed up plot even if she tried. for me, i heard about the book a lot at school by my friends but eventually my brother got a hold of the books and i swear has read them at least three or more times each. it's ridiculous! Anyway, you hit the truth about twilight right on the head. you rock!

It bothers me when people linger on "lolsparkle". In the book, she merely mentions that the sun glistens off of Edward's skin like a statue, and when you consider the history of vampires, their skin definitely maintains the properties of Calcite. The movie overly dramatizes the moment. It's not so much the fact that he sparkles so much as, if you apply science to the concept of "I'm pale as hell" they should either burn or be in terrible agony.

7 was unnecessary. You can write a shopping list and it'd be better than Twilight. At least we wouldn't have to hear you whine about Biology class for 200 pages. Ugh.

But I don't doubt you're a good writer.

Hmm...I don't know...I don't love or hate Twilight. I've read them all, and it is very, very true that there are tons of better written books out there. But I think people shouldn't get so hyped up about it.
If you did not like it, okay, but is it really necessary to call the fans "retards"? At least they're reading, right? I don't get haters...=_=
If you liked it, please don't shove it down other people's throats. I mean, it's alright to recommend a book you like, but if it's not their interest, DON'T FORCE THEM. And don't resort to physical violence, please.

PS: I'm not talking to the general public here.

PPS: I laughed when I read your reasons, Lady Aerith, because I agree with so many of them. :D

(^_^)V peace~
Barefoot Pixie Dreamweaver <3

Well I like Twilight actually but what really gets me on the nerves is when

1 - Some stupid girls craving to have a Vampire boyfriend (so that they get bitten)
2 - Some stupid guys doing anything stupid to be like a vampire (to impress girls)

Grrr .. Duh! :/

I'm not a fan because it really isn't my sort of thing to read. If I want to read about vampires, then I stick to the original-Bram Stoker and Anne Rice.

I did try to read the books-the whole teen cliche obsession with vampires/romance/violence is boring to me. Its just a part of the teen 'emo' culture. (not that I'm saying all the kids who like it are emos or that it is a major part of that particular trend)

I do agree with the outdated ideas of women being the evil of the world. I'm in no way a feminist, but that was just unfair. I can usually appreciate something without having to like it, but in this case, I wouldn't even say that. For me, it isn't a case of like it or not, it's just another piece of average literary intellegence that has been adopted into teen pop culture for whatever reason.

That was awesome LA. :3

I have some for and against reasons, because I stand on that neutral line right between the Rabid Haters and Rabid Fans.

The Against Reasons:

1. Bella is weak. LA explained all the reasons and more
why Bella is weak. Personally, I strongly agree
that she is sending a wrong message to younger
girls. This day and age women should not have to bend
to the whim of "Strong Men" because...
let's face it. I may be generalizing,
but GENERALLY... "Strong Men" is congruent to Stupid Men.
Notice the Quotes of Sarcasm on "Strong Men."

2. It would've been more interesting ifffff....
Edward was an ugly MONSTER. Because...
Vampires ARE MONSTERS. They ... EAT
PEOPLE! EAT. PEOPLE. yeah... sounds like
something I'd totally love to kiss.
but "Oh katie, didn't you write a story in 8th
grade about a nice vampire?"
No. I wrote a story about a Vampire who was
outcast and emo. His clan and family kicked him
out because he wouldn't eat humans. Because
he wanted nothing more in life than to BE
a human, and used his magic [which was supposed
to be used to incapacitate prey mind you] to appear
human to try and act human and to love like a human.
 And like the onion-chowing
vampire LA mentioned, that's pretty interesting.
"But Katie, It's totally the same as Bella wanting
nothing more than to be a Vampire just to be immortal
with her lover, who was a vampire." Wrong.
Remi [my character] would never ever be able to be a human
and his love would die eventually. And on top of that,
Remi's not an idiot. Who WANTS to be turned into a Monster?
Apparently Bella. lol.
"But Katie..." Shush, okay? My Character Natalie whom Remi loved
was a vampire slayer turned psychopath because
he lied to her about being a vampire. Fun times ;D
And yeah I did write that story in 8th grade.
Makes me want to rewrite it.

3. Lastly, There was no thinking involved when reading the book.
I hate writing essays on books, mind you, but I love
having to analyze things and take symbolism the way I want to
take it as a reader. Where was the symbolism in twilight?
The apple on the cover? The forbidden fruit?
Well Vampires are Forbidden for a reason,
girlies. lol.

That's all my negative reasons, which I think are pretty strong. my pro reasons,
well just check the other thread.

I don't think I called anyone retarded ='( My mom reads them and I'd never say something like that about her.

I noticed that as well. I positively need something resembling skill as well, be it symbolism or setting. I was hoping that the weather in Forks predicted that something bad was going to happen, that the sunny beach or city was going to mean it was happy, but it wasn't. Not one ounce of symbolism. Just dull, drab, "plot" if you'll call it that. The apple wasn't so much a symbol as it was a "Hey! You wanna read a story that totally demeans the past 150 years of feminist movements!?" Then there was "Isabella Swan" that screams "Mary Sue" but I mentioned that earlier.

O-mazing. I love the book, personally. Really nothing bothers me about it, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

You're in the wrong place. You have your place. Yes, it does matter. When it becomes a franchise that girls are stupid and live only for romance, it becomes everyone's problem. Yes, a whole lot of that stuff can happen. If Edward wasn't a vampire, he'd still be a pretty, abusive boyfriend and she'd still love him only on the premise that he looks good.

Go away, now. Don't come back here. Go to your Pro-Twilight forum. y

eh, yeah. That's what the Pro Twilight thread was for... lol.
If you've got a bit you don't like about it, feel free to post.

Aside from that... don't make this about hating haters...

That's another thing anti about Twilight.

Haters -vs- Lovers constantly.

I actually like Twilight but things I don't like are:

 

1. She loves him within a couple of days of knowing him.

2. She is NOT what I call a teenager. I know Stephenie said that she was like an adult but the whole concept of the mother is like the daughter and the daughter is like the mother is just plain weird.

3. She wants to give up her life so she can be with Edward forever and always but that is just plain... gooey. Live a little girl!

4. There isn't much of a beginning, middle and end. It's just stories after stories and explanations instead of things actually happening.

 

Yes, that is all I have to say. :] I'm pretty sure there is more but I can't think of anymore at the moment.

AGREED!

I can say the same about my thoughts for Twilight. The book was ok, but I'm not a real massive fan of it. *shrugs* Also, once Twilight became more popular, I found more and more people fighting over whether or not the book was good-- which finally turned me off to the series since all these debates were getting REALLY REALLY annoying... and pointless. why should we get all worked up about it, anyway? Some books we like, some we hate. not a big freaking deal... =_=

those are pretty much my thoughts on the book...

oh, and a lot of things in the book really made me wonder. I'm Mormon, and (refering to Lady Aerith's second reason for hating twilight) that "Women are the source of all evil" concept doesn't really have that much to do with our religion (unless I'm miss interpreting it... umm.. I dunno, if that's not what she means, sorry if I'm wrong ^^;)

On another note: I did hear that the reason Meyer made the vampires in her books have venom (which, according to my friend is not a quality traditional vampires have [said friend + reading Twilight = PISSED o_o]) is because she didn't want them to have "Demonic quailities" because it was against her beliefs. That made me think, "Wtf? That's totally weird. I'm mormon and that kind of stuff doesn't get to me O_o" (although I guess it was just her own personal beliefs-- not saying its bad to have such beliefs) That's just what I heard... it's like the people who banned Harry Potter in many places because it had witchcraft in it. that stuff just doesn't make sense to me at all. oh well though... *shrugs*

Ah, I was wrong there I suppose. I'm not a practicing Mormon (I'm actually a Universalist/ Jedi Knight/ Cetra). The orthodox Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Catholic (no longer considered Christian @_@?) religions have that deep-seeded "Women are the source of all evil" concept that's older than, well, old.

Religion is a whole new topic that we can all tear each other apart on later, though. Haha!

Though in Twilight, I must say, it was the wrong place to throw religion into play.
Vampires ravish pretty girls. In fact, they were allotted hypnosis by eighteenth century novelists to separate them from some creepy stalkers to tone down the plot. That's why they're so darned pirty and the mesmerizing eyes - to tone down he level of violence in the rape. They're actively hypnotizing their prey when - oh, I'm not in the mood for ranting.

Maybe we should open that forum and tear each other apart.

Katie is a Wiccan. I'm a Universalist. We have some Christians and an atheist in here as well. Wouldn't that be fun, to have all of our moral principles compiled into one area? Maybe some reasoning behind the separation of the beliefs so we can sort of link all of our beliefs in one?

Bizzarre fact: Before the scriptures were compiled into an Anglo-Saxon Bible, Christians were, in fact, polygamists.