Ex-lit Forum The Venom Thread...

For Bob & for passion... Vive la venom!!

 

It has come to my attention that in reading Bob's words that we have reached a place where we are in the company of those that warm and inspire us - without the bad that kept messing the place up.

 

However, I am concerned that we may all be just too too lovely for our own poetic good and that every once in a while me might need to vent in an angry way to get the blood flowing...

 

So I suggest this as the thread for venom collection, a place where, like Las Vegas - what happens in the venom thread, stays in the venom thread. Because for all the lovely we are - a bit of venom keeps our immune-systems firing on all cylinders and the poetic juices flowing.

 

I was going to start this with my own bit of venom to pierce the page - but I am in a decidedly good mood and finding it really hard to be pissed off about anything!!

 

So if anyone else is angry or feeling hateful, hurt or just generally ill at ease - fire away xxx

 

 

Okay, I'm game.

 

I am sick and tired of crap poetry.  In Oct. 08, I joined a site called dreamerscafe and was immediately sttruck by how many bad writers there are in the world.  Sites like that one are the reason I hate the internet:  Everyone wants their own little corner of the net and think us entitled to their scribbling.  I may just fall into that category but I never fooled myself into believing otherwise.

 

I deleted my account on dreamers last night because I just couldn't find it in me to keep lying about how nice most of their posts are.  I left the same day Shannon was chosen as poet of the month and hope he doesn't think it had anything to do with him.  I was commenting less and less and was receiving fewer comments because of it.  Hate reciprocal commenting.  Besides, how many times can one read "nice write" because they have no idea what to make of my posts?

 

Maybe I'm just mean.  Also deleted myspace account for second time.

 

I'm glad to be part of this talented group.  You're all wonderful writers that I expect will keep me on my toes.  Okay, I am being nice now so I guess my rant's over.

my warmest

bob

Ha!  This is a great idea.

Oh s**t, I'm being nice.

Hmmm.  Well, I've spent nearly 12 hours over the last two days editing one chapter of a project that has occupied my time for over five bloody years.  It's a massive undertaking, the grand summary of all of my research and reflection and arguing about psychopaths (one of my academic specializations).  And you know what I hate?  This project.  I can't stand it!  I'm so tired of it I don't even know words strong enough to express my venom.  I feel as though it's been eating my life away, nibbling and nibbling every day.  And hey, I'm not even getting paid for the stupid thing.  At most, it'll get published by an academic publisher and I'll make a couple grand, as I did off my first horribly expensive academic book.  ;)  The second one, co-written, published last spring, is at least cheap and people seem to like it -- but it's really just a handbook.  There's very little of "me" in there, whoever I am.  Very little creativity, very little fun, playfulness -- all the things I look for as a READER.

So now I'm stuck finishing this stupid thing which, I have to say, must be finished ASAP because I'm contracted to write a book on moral education for an international academic publisher.  Now, these guys are academic but they're huge.  I have many many books that they've published.  And I'm excited by that project (which I proposed on a whim -- long story, tell it later.  Beware whims).  But I can't really get to work on it till this one's finished.  So it looms in the distance, taunting me.  The manuscript's due in Dec 2010.  Agggghhhhh!

Okay and I'm still a little disgruntled about Lit, much as I try to put it behind me.  Like Bob, I spent a LOT of time there over five and a half years; I loved it and I miss it.  Thankfully, most of the people I liked reading are now part of THIS group!  Takes the edge off.  Like Bob again, I had some very unsettling, bizarre, worrisome behind-the-scenes encounters with she-who-must-not-be-named.  For some reason she can still get to me.  Perhaps because I really did like her work.  And she was a lot of fun to collaborate with.  I suppose there's still a part of me that was hoping we could get past the insanity and focus on the writing.  Although I know that can't happen, hope's a b***h, you know?

Figured this venom thing is working too well.  Cos I have nothing to do at work, here is my lit comment for the morning.  I expect it will disappear just as quickly as it was posted.

 

Mary mary I know I said I wouldn't log in again. But, like you, I tend to change my mind. I just don't need meds. Are you so pathetic you have to bash people YOU betrayed? As I wrote to you elsewhere, litdotorg will never be what it used to be as long as you treat it as a personal playground. Deleting members who made this site will not change the fact you are just an immature child who can't let go; a real true - not what you accuse others of being. Yea, you can say I'm also not letting go 'cos I am here, but you know what I think of your opinion. And anyone else who thinks you're some sweet woman with a crazy laugh and a third eye in the wrong hole. Buddhist my a*s. ( Posted by: FToscano [Member] On: February 2, 2009 )

 

 

I meant a real troll.

 

Just having fun at her expense.  I need to let it go, too.

Francisco

Enjoyed your posts- The one at lit was deleted- she'll never allow criticism or  free speech at her expense- As for the last PM you posted in your other website -I was going to say she thrives on this stuff -but you blocked her and that was good. Just ignoring her is the best remedy- that is what makes her go crazy- Writing her and saying she is a troll -she eats that stuff up -uses it to say she is being attacked-she  is very good at distorting things- right now she implied that she is being stalked on the Internet -I assume it's because of your post to Lit. A writing site that doesn't allow you to express your opinion is a bad writing site- and Lit is now a bad site- not because we left but because she has corrupted it to fit her needs. The site monitors input- like big brother- it makes me ill- I myself am trying to let it go- but it's hard- Like Rogan mentioned You just want to get back at her for the bullshit that she did- but the best way to get back at her is to make her irrelevant- My writing blood is on that site -but I need to wipe it off- I'll probably delete all my stuff- It'll be hard to do but I think it needs to be done for me to move on- Same for you- she's just to toxic to handle-believe me I know-I thought I was the one who had her on the leash -was controlling the situation- but in reality she had me on a witch's whip- don't wrap yourself in one of her webs as well-  

 

 

my warmest

bob

 

 

 

Sez Bob: "the best way to get back at her is to make her irrelevant".

Exactly.  That's the way to go.  Anything else will be twisted to suit her propagandistic ends.

Just a quick update- lena's banned or made all writers on Lit Mary unable to log in- Booby 7L and Jen- the owner of Lit Mary and probably others- all except me- I'm still waiting... She also took that poem off and the one robert wrote in answer- No criticism allowed- how ironic- irony is Lena's name

 

 

my warmest

bob

 

 

my warmest

bob

The following falls into the "just-for-kicks" category:

 

 

Lena,
 
You think you wield power because you bought a site just to prove you can hold sway over people who don't agree with your sensitivities.  The site is dead and you've hammered the last nail with your threats to Bobby. 
 
Keep talking, Ms. "C U Next Tuesday."  (Still get a kick out of Kneegrow's quote.)  I am no stalker but if you want to keep calling me names then maybe I will have to seek legal assistance myself.  Slander is still not something people have a right to.
 
By blocking and/or deleting people you are denying them access to their intellectual property.  And I will gladly spread the word on that.
 
By deleting me from your coffin site you only prove how much I can affect you.  How weak are you that someone can question your motives and you ball up into pillbug pose?  Such power, deleting me.  I am shaking. 
 
So you know, I was e-mailed a copy of your troll reply to me.  I figured you would just delete my comment, but not 'til after a few people read it.  And I was right because I was sent your responses.  How predictable and gullible you are.  Lit may be your new sandbox but you seem to move just like a little marionnette on a string I am pulling.
 
You can now block me from g-mail as well, little puppet. 
 
"C U Next Tuesday!"  Still get a kick.

 

 

This was as an e-mail I sent her before reading Bob's reply to my lit comment. 

Re Dreamers - ah .. yes I tend to agree but I never would have stumbled over that train song if I hadn't been giving the site a whirl.  I went off the deep end with that set of lyrics. I went there because of Robert Hall and writing Redpath because he was interested - but the site of purple prose [literally] kind of put me off never mind the mindless drivel that my posts would prompt.  I don't know about any of them except they're probably very nice people in search of a nice safe place to post their poetry.  

HOLY CRAP!!!  I have just been reading all of the ranting going on regarding Lit.  I almost lived at Lit for .. jeez .. almost five years!  I don't miss it a bit!  Why?  Because I never believed it was the site and recognized it was the members that made it what it was.

Hey guys...I think I'm next on the banning list.

I can still log on and post comments, but I've pm'd Stuart twice that I hadn't received my copy of majestic...no answer!

This is a new development, as he has always answered me, and told me to be patient!

Guess her majesty erased that one.  Then I e-mailed him...still no answer.

I'd loved to write to Chris and get his side of this...but I don't know if i should.

Like pen...I've been there almost the same amount of time and feel like there is a death in the family...oh..oh...there IS!

Bea