So is it conditioned experience that makes us eat our own tails? To be caught in the basest of desires, led by greed, ignorance, stupidity. It's like chasing your tail, never quite getting a toothold on the carrot where it dangles, just out of reach. So what they say must be true: only by abandoning ourselves, truly giving over to our more true nature, can freedom be achieved for one and all. Whatever that is, that's IT.